The cost of human health.

In the East the symbol of wisdom.

If you knew that animals had been tortured and killed in the production of a pharmaceutical would you, perhaps out of fear of being tortured by pain or fear of death, take it for your own benefit?


About Ian Gardner

Ian Gardner was born on the 20th February 1934 in Sri Lanka, then Ceylon, and christened Basil Ian Gunewardene. He was born two months prematurely and nearly died five times in his first two months. He moved to Australia in September 1969 where he changed his surname to Gardner. From childhood he had an enquiring mind and an innate interest in the supernatural. Since 1986, nineteen years of meditation, "searching within", reading and revelations have culminated in this free book which has been nine years in the making. Further writings followed and all his writings are available to all on the Internet free of charge. There is more information in the preface of the book.
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6 Responses to The cost of human health.

  1. Ian Gardner says:

    I thought I had settings in place for “nested” comments, that is comments arranged so that one can tell to whom a comment is directed, but that does not seem to be happening so we should all start a comment (if applicable) with the name of the commenter to whom the response refers.

    Does anyone know what the correct setting is; the one which staggers replies when options are, say, “Reply to post” or “Reply to comment”.

  2. seapunk2 says:

    The original question was – “If you knew….” I know a few things, such as the cosmetics you mention, and incidentally I use none and would use NONE that don’t state “not tested on animals.” I take no drugs, either, and if I were to, I investigate. I nearly lost my life to Stephens-Johnson Syndrome, so it’s a no brainer for me, as the syndrome was caused by drugs.
    I read and responded directly to the question presented. I stand by my answer. Thanks for the beating.

    • bert says:

      Well, I think, Seapunk2, that the words i have chosen yesterday are too direct and as a consequence too hard. It was not my intention to hurt or beat, and i apologize for having done this in the heat of the writing.

  3. Ian Gardner says:

    As usual you show a capacity to evaluate deeply 🙂
    Regarding “What criteria will be used to put something on a ‘higher’ rung of life?”:
    These are questions to which each one has got to finds the answers.
    Regarding “Now to come back to your question . . . to be very intelligent:
    These questions are simply emotional ones and, therefore, of no significance.

  4. bert says:

    This is a very important question. Is there a hierarchy in life or not?
    Is a pig less worth than a human being or a chimpanzee? All 3 share 97% of the same genetic material. Is an ant worth as much as a human being? And a fish, is a fish worth less along the line as chicken? Is the dividing line Animalia/Plantae/Fungi important enough to favour to eat vegetables instead of grown maggots; or mushrooms instead of strawberries?

    What criteria will be used to put something on a ‘higher’ rung of life?

    Now to come back to your question — suppose we torture wasps to get their poison to make an anti-cancer drug that will save millions of lives and prolong 100 millions of lives? Would we care?
    Change the word wasp by snail, and it doesn’t change much of our perception, does it?
    Change the word wasp by honey-bee and look at your own reaction. Why? Why do we feel a wasp is less important than a bee? Because we steal the bee’s honey?

    Change the word wasp by mouse, and we are into reality of the day.
    Most people accept that reality. Many don’t know that at the end of the line pigs are used. They are even used to grow skin-tissue.

    Where does one draw the line? Mice are social and intelligent animals. So are pigs and dogs and chicken and rabbits. Wasps are also social animals, rather robotic of intelligence. Snails are not social and not smart, but squid and octopus are from the same phylum of mollusks and are known to be very intelligent.

    There is however no drug available in the pharmacy that has not cost 100000 of mouse lives.
    So seapunk2, you shouldn’t use any drug from the pharmacy to maintain what you said above, neither can you use most cosmetics, and even toothpaste if you want to draw a straight line.

    I would rather avoid this question right now, and look the other way. That is my honest reaction. I know it is far from correct, but i favour human baby’s health or my grandmother’s health or whoever who reads this above a mouse’s life.

    I’d rather know they are not tortured along the way, but being imprisoned whole their life and treated by ‘nazi’-doctors can always be called torture. Ask my friend from Jaffa if you want to be assured about that.

  5. seapunk2 says:

    I’d rather die.

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